Jordan Furlong’s recent blog post, An Incomplete Inventory of NewLaw, spurred an interesting dialog on Twitter among Liam Brown, George Beaton, Jordan, and me. We discussed the size of the NewLaw market.
I reproduce, in chronological order, the relevant Tweets. Before any comments, introductions…
Liam Brown is the founder and chairman of Elevate Services, “a next generation legal service provider helping law firms and corporate legal departments operate more effectively. [It provides] practical ways to improve efficiency, quality and outcomes through consulting, services, technology and talent.” I previously worked with Liam at Integreon, a legal process outsourcing provider that he founded and grew to be one of the largest LPOs in the market. Fireman & Company, through which I consult, is a value added re-seller for Elevate’s Cael LPM(tm) software. Liam has a deep understanding of law departments, law firms, and the provider market.
George Beaton is a Partner in Beaton Capital, “a leading independent corporate advisory firm operating in Australia and Asia providing strategic and financial advice to law and other professional services firms.” He is also associated with Beaton Research, which benchmarks and researches professional services firms. George is the author of NewLaw New Rules – A conversation about the future of the legal services industry, a recent book documenting the rise of alternatives to traditional law firms. George also has extensive experience and insight into the large law firm market.
Jordan Furlong is a “lawyer, speaker, industry analyst, and consultant based in Ottawa, Canada” and blogs at law21.ca.
The market sizing Tweet stream stands on its own but I want to highlight Liam’s last Tweet here that cautions us that too much talk of NewLaw may actually slow down those general counsels ready if not eager to make changes.
Wd luv 2 see infographic showing how rev in these legal svc segments has changed over decade @jordan_law21 http://t.co/KuFvueOVpa — Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 25, 2014
.@liamjmbrown any guess on New Law % revenue of corp law market? NB: @jordan_law21 @grbeaton_law — ronfriedmann (@ronfriedmann) May 26, 2014
.@ronfriedmann .@liamjmbrown any guess on #NewLaw % revenue of corp law market? In Australia we estimate <1% including LPO — George Beaton (@NewLawNewRules) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann I can help you get started on bottoms up analysis. Some estimates follow: @Axiom_Law $80m, @AdventBalance $20m — Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann @UnitedLex $50m, @Integreon $30m, @ElevateServices $15m, @Pangea3 $40m — Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann EDD services market $3bn according to http://t.co/Z6MJUn9iIV but I think that 2 high and double counts LFs
— Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann My bottoms up on that is $2bn for services and another $700m for software/SaaS — Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann Then all the LF alt legal services, say @LOD_Law $15m, @AGinsight $10m, etc. let’s say another $100m total
— Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann And then $1.5bn US legal staffing business http://t.co/FKodG0ceFe is that #newlaw? — Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann @LegalZoom $200m @CPAGlobal $125m @HuronLegal $200m @EpiqSystems $450m
— Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann Other ELM software another $700m? Then what about legal publishing… — Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann When you’ve reviewed, plz let me know what #NewLaw, Legal Tech, Inhouse and Outside Counsel segments are?
— Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
@liamjmbrown I’d be plsd to wk w @ronfriedmann on this #NewLaw, Legal Tech, Inhouse Outside Counsel | Ron let’s take it offline to email? — George Beaton (@grbeaton_law) May 26, 2014
@BetsyMunnell @grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann Judging from @liamjmbrown‘s figures & estimated $250-300 Bn US total legal market, 1% seems right.
— Jordan Furlong (@jordan_law21) May 26, 2014
@BetsyMunnell @grbeaton_law @ronfriedmann @liamjmbrown Anyway, from 0 to $2 billion in <10 yrs isn’t the least impressive growth curve ever. — Jordan Furlong (@jordan_law21) May 26, 2014
@ronfriedmann We know many GCs taking steps to work differently. I personally think #NewLaw hysteria risks alienating those trying to do so
— Liam Brown (@liamjmbrown) May 26, 2014
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